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Postby ssbk23 » Fri 16 Nov, 2012 11:34 am

Will be interesting to see the effects this is going to have in our hobby. Time to start taking aquaculture seriously.

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby lonestar » Fri 16 Nov, 2012 10:00 pm

Didn't think it would really make much difference, it only affects 1 percent of the commercial fishing industry.
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby ssbk23 » Fri 16 Nov, 2012 10:14 pm

I think it will make a big difference for us if Cairns Marine are worried about it

Outraged third-generation aquarium collector Lyall Squire Jr, of Cairns Marine, said the decision had the potential to put his family-owned $6 million-a-year company out of business.

"We have grave fears for our survival, worse, this is not about science," said the director of Australia's largest aquarium supplier, who exports species such as clown fish, sharks and rays to Asia, the Middle East, Europe and the US.

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby picasso » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 8:58 am

itll never happen as the present government wont be here in 2014
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby Kransky » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 9:12 am

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby pebbles » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 10:40 am

picasso wrote:itll never happen as the present government wont be here in 2014


Well, if I understood correctly Mr Abbott has said the coalition won't necessarily repeal the legislation???? What happens to licence holders that decide their business model is not so viable anymore?


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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby picasso » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 11:19 am

"Under the plan, no new "on-the-water" changes will come into effect until July 2014 after the next federal election, after which the Coalition has promised to revoke any declaration should it win government"

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby ssbk23 » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 11:32 am

Do you really think that the businesses will hold on till 2014 in the hope that the coalition gets in, hoping that he actually follows through with a promise?
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby sheriff » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 11:53 am

If it does end up coming effect at the hobbist level would be minimal as no coral is currently taken from these areas there would be an effect on a few fish and invert species.

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby locuus » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 1:11 pm

You got to wonder about their priorities considering all the tankers and transport ships that will be allowed to service the expanded ports in Queensland. If we are talking sustainability, preference to the mining industry and all the run off from agriculture and industry is surely a worse trade off.
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby insanity101 » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 1:43 pm

was at one of the local suppliers this morning (oz reef connections, a smaller supplier in cairns that also does export etc) - they seemed to express fairly big concern and advised that they would likely be getting a lot more collection from more southern areas such as off Mackay
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby picasso » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 7:02 pm

ssbk23 wrote:Do you really think that the businesses will hold on till 2014 in the hope that the coalition gets in, hoping that he actually follows through with a promise?


they have no other choice but to do just this
carry on fishing until this government get kicked out in 2013 then hold Abbot to his promise

most of the Gillard policies will never happen,whenever she gets deeper in the mire (slush funds and corrupt payments this time) she announces some "popular" scheme as a smoke screen years in the future,she has proved over and over again that she is incapable of following through with any policy without completely stuffing it up,i dont see why this is any different
but then again i'm just very old and cynical and have seen many,many governments come and go
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby reefsecretsaquariums » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 7:58 pm

australia needs to wake up and smell the roses ,, our aquarium industry impact is so minimal , but cause of corrupt organisations like PEW (who are actualy funded/ started by large mining corporations ) GRRRR Gillard is such a scamming, lying ,cheating low life who is getting so many kick backs from this crap... if they cared so much about the environment why do they keep proposing so many new shipping terminals and ruining the barrier reef starting gladstone in the name of mining what a joke , when we live in a world of smarter ways to make energy (solar and wind just 2) its just someone with money is pulling all the strings and if we dont like tuff tittys .. :wall:

this closure will impact us largely i recon ,, larger than we think . :bored:
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby Tone » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 8:13 pm

UNESCO didn't poke its nose into our national affairs for no reason (they were invited by activist elements in government encouraged by academics and NGO's with vested interests) ... by locking up great tracts of Australian land and ocean and handing administration to UN via UNESCO, we are ceding our sovereignty to an unelected foreign organisation/s. UN Agenda 21 will make a good starting point for anybody interested in international affairs ... and then Google how many Australian federal and state departments, and municipalities have signed up to Agenda 21 provisions via treaties that the Australian people have no knowledge of. You will be horrified !
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby reefsecretsaquariums » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 9:26 pm

yeah instead of australia being grown up and managing our own land and water , lets give control to them to rape us instead.. and while your at it , no australians you cannot fish our own waters thats regulated properly, instead lets rape another countries resources and get our food fish (i dont eat fish ) from places like china were we all know have very great views and strict rules on exploitation of natural resources like fish ,and methods of acquiring them :nut:
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby gussssy!!!! » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 9:58 pm

+1 to saying bye bye gillard :guns:

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Postby vman » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 10:30 pm

reefsecretsaquariums wrote:yeah instead of australia being grown up and managing our own land and water , lets give control to them to rape us instead.. and while your at it , no australians you cannot fish our own waters thats regulated properly, instead lets rape another countries resources and get our food fish (i dont eat fish ) from places like china were we all know have very great views and strict rules on exploitation of natural resources like fish ,and methods of acquiring them :nut:



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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby reefsecretsaquariums » Sat 17 Nov, 2012 11:17 pm

:roflmao: do it do it do it
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby peekandboo » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 7:41 am

gussssy!!!! wrote:+1 to saying bye bye gillard :guns:

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

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Postby KoNP » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 9:38 am

reefsecretsaquariums wrote:yeah instead of australia being grown up and managing our own land and water , lets give control to them to rape us instead.. and while your at it , no australians you cannot fish our own waters thats regulated properly, instead lets rape another countries resources and get our food fish (i dont eat fish ) from places like china were we all know have very great views and strict rules on exploitation of natural resources like fish ,and methods of acquiring them :nut:


Implying that if control of our land and water were handed over to "us", we wouldn't exploit the [censored] out of every available opportunity to profit.

Humans are driven by greed and it's disingenuous to claim you're altruistic by comparison.
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby locuus » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 10:01 am

KoNP wrote:
reefsecretsaquariums wrote:yeah instead of australia being grown up and managing our own land and water , lets give control to them to rape us instead.. and while your at it , no australians you cannot fish our own waters thats regulated properly, instead lets rape another countries resources and get our food fish (i dont eat fish ) from places like china were we all know have very great views and strict rules on exploitation of natural resources like fish ,and methods of acquiring them :nut:


Implying that if control of our land and water were handed over to "us", we wouldn't exploit the [censored] out of every available opportunity to profit.

Humans are driven by greed and it's disingenuous to claim you're altruistic by comparison.


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That's born out in what's going on with Gladstone is it not? To suggest a Liberal government would do better on this and related issues is laughable. While I disagree with how the UN's report has been implemented I think its more sad that it took an outside agency to bring attention to issues relating to the sustainable management of our reefs.
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby oceanarium » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 10:08 am

pebbles wrote:What happens to licence holders that decide their business model is not so viable anymore?

Take the cash and run... Just like Angelfish aquariums did :(

I am very pro marine parks and protected areas... There is great benefit if done well.

In this case i think its been driven by Canberra very poorly, we already have a network of state marine parks ever growing at a more sustainable pace. To suddenly have such a massive amount of new protected areas just like that will make it very difficult for industry to adjust. There will be environmental benefits for sure, but also a lot of losers in the fishing industry for no fault of there own.

100 million on the table to compensate BS some larger fishing company's will be in the tens of millions.... alone. I bet it ends up a billion.

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby vman » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 10:21 am

reefsecretsaquariums wrote:that photo belongs on this page with some sort of smart comment ... :roflmao:
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby Rusty1 » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 10:34 am

Wernt they going to let only a "Super Trawler" operate in the coral sea or have they ditched that idea?

Think it was a Dutch owned 1?
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby insanity101 » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 11:24 am

super trawler got blocked for 2 years from what i understand, due to public uproar etc.

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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby vman » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 12:39 pm

vman wrote:
reefsecretsaquariums wrote:that photo belongs on this page with some sort of smart comment ... :roflmao:
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Re: New marine reserve from July 2014

Postby reefsecretsaquariums » Sun 18 Nov, 2012 2:55 pm

i did .. i did .. :roflmao:

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