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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Sun 08 Jul, 2012 10:19 pm

fleurielk wrote:This has been really helpful to read. Sounds like your method is working really well. :cheers:

Thanks :cheers:

Quick update:
It's almost week 7 now. I've gone 6 weeks and 5 days fisheless in the DT, and around 6 weeks of hyposalinity.

In a few days time I will start to do daily water changes; I will siphon out water from the HT, and then replace it with water from my DT.
The HT is right next to the DT so I can easily run a hose across :)

I know that water changes need to get larger and larger towards the end to get to a SG of 35ppt; and you may never actually hit 35ppt or it will take a very long time.

Lucky for me I have some higher than normal SG NSW (it's around 40ppt, I think from evaporation); this 40ppt NSW will become very useful towards the end when I'm having a hard time raising the water the last bit to 35ppt.

The clowns are starting to look a bit worse for wear. I'm not sure why but over the past week I noticed the female clown has a couple of scales ruffled on it's shoulder and the male clown has a little bit of skin coming off the corner of his mouth...

I'm going to go ahead with the treatment as per schedule and keep a very close eye on the clowns.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby LookingForNemo » Tue 10 Jul, 2012 9:01 am

Watch out for PH. My clownfish had some discoloration during hypo period but eventually regains his color.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Tue 10 Jul, 2012 9:45 am

LookingForNemo wrote:Watch out for PH. My clownfish had some discoloration during hypo period but eventually regains his color.


I actually stopped monitoring pH a few weeks ago. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get pH to stay at 8.2 or above in the HT. I do however make sure the water I use for replenishment is at 8.4.

The female clown's shoulder scales are getting better but the male clown's lips are still the same. I think its just from them smacking against the edges of the pvc pipes which I have seen them do once or twice.

Last night I used the last of my pre mixed hypo water. Tonight I will start to raise salinity.
Salinity will be raised slowly over at least a one week period.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Tue 10 Jul, 2012 10:39 pm

I started raising the SG tonight.

Basically I went about the normal routine of feeding and them siphoning out waste.
I removed about 20% of the HT water, then ran a hose from my DT (right next to the HT) and filled up the HT to the top.

SG before: 1.009
SG after: 1.012
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Wed 11 Jul, 2012 10:41 pm

Day 2 of raising salinity.

Tonight I siphoned out half of the water in the tank, I then only replenished the tank with water up to the 3/4 mark.

SG before: 1.012
SG after: 1.017

I've decided to run less volume in the HT to assist with raising salinity.

Right now, at 3/4 full, I have around 20L total volume in the HT. I have also decided to ditch the filter sock (one less thing to do daily).

With less volume and no longer using the filter sock, I'm not really worried about water quality due to such large % water changes on a daily basis.

For the past two nights I've been replenishing water from my DT. I'm sure in a couple of days time, SG will become harder to raise, which is when I will further reduce the volume in the HT and then use my evaporated (higher than normal SG) NSW.

Using salt for raising SG would be an easier method, but as I don't have any salt, and plenty of NSW, I'll do it with water changes.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Thu 12 Jul, 2012 10:24 pm

Day 3 of raising salinity.

Did the same thing as last night.

SG before: 1.017
SG after: 1.021
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Sat 14 Jul, 2012 2:46 am

Day 4 of raising salinity.

Did a 50% water change tonight:

SG before: 1.021
SG after: 1.023

Getting close... Also getting to a point where raising SG further is going to require larger and larger water changes.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby picasso » Sat 14 Jul, 2012 1:59 pm

jfyi.dont be too concerned with pH,a low pH is much safer if you have an ammonia reading,much less ionized ammonia,water changes exacerbate this ,continually pushing up the pH will increase the toxicity of any ammonia,a pH of 7.4-7.5 will render it harmless
just my opinion but i think you are taking the sg up too quickly,i would open the lid and let evaporation do the job for you
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Sat 14 Jul, 2012 2:53 pm

Thanks for the tip. Lids and top filter tray are now opened.

I read somewhere to raise SG over at least a week, and since I wanted to get the fish back into the DT asap, I decided to do the large water changes.
I'll slow down and stretch it out longer.

Luckily the fish don't seem stressed at all.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Sun 15 Jul, 2012 1:24 am

Day 5 of raising salinity.

Decided I should slow it down a bit.

Opened the top cover and filter lid to aid evaporation.
Siphoned out waste after feeding and and replenished with NSW (essentially a small water change).

SG before: 1.023
SG after: 1.024
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby Doomant » Sun 15 Jul, 2012 10:43 am

This thread should be noted for all New comers. Well done kit, may I ask how may fish you were treating at once?
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Sun 15 Jul, 2012 6:58 pm

Doomant wrote:This thread should be noted for all New comers. Well done kit, may I ask how may fish you were treating at once?


I treated 3 fish concurrently in the Aqua One tank:
- A pair of 1 year old Clowns (around 5-6cm)
- A medium sized Zebra Goby (8-9cm)

Day 6 of raising salinity:
Same as yesterday, left lids off all day, and siphoned out waste. Replenished water with NSW.

SG before: 1.024
SG after: 1.025

We're getting close!
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Mon 16 Jul, 2012 11:56 pm

Day 7 of raising salinity:

More of the same, left the lids off, siphoned out waste. Replenished with NSW.

SG before: 1.025
SG after: 1.026

I think I'm going to reintroduce the fish into the DT tomorrow evening.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby LookingForNemo » Tue 17 Jul, 2012 9:04 am

Finger cross that the DT is white-spot free.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Tue 17 Jul, 2012 9:26 am

LookingForNemo wrote:Finger cross that the DT is white-spot free.


I think I read in some literature that 99.9% of marine ich variants will be gone after an isolation period of 42 days.

At 8 weeks I'm hoping I haven't got the 0.01% variant marine ich! :)
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby Andre.Gibson » Tue 17 Jul, 2012 9:39 am

kit, I admire your dedication. You are a prime example of someone willing to really go the extra mile for their livestock.
Now there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Good luck.

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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby LookingForNemo » Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:37 am

kit wrote:I think I read in some literature that 99.9% of marine ich variants will be gone after an isolation period of 42 days.

At 8 weeks I'm hoping I haven't got the 0.01% variant marine ich! :)


I hope that also applies for your case... cos it doesn't apply to me :dead: I had to do hypo twice.. 1st time 6 weeks, 2nd time 8 weeks :wall: .. in the end I let it be and somehow the fishes fight off.

All the best... really good track for newbie. :)
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Tue 17 Jul, 2012 2:53 pm

Andre.Gibson wrote:kit, I admire your dedication. You are a prime example of someone willing to really go the extra mile for their livestock.
Now there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Good luck.

Andre


Thanks Andre :thumbsup:
Once you settle into a routine, it's not that hard to do. I spend much (much) more time working on my DT each night than taking care of the fish in Hyposalinity :)

I'm really hoping my treatment technique has been sufficient, and after reading some more, I think I raised salinity too quickly.. Luckily for me, the clowns and goby are really hardy.

LookingForNemo wrote:I hope that also applies for your case... cos it doesn't apply to me I had to do hypo twice.. 1st time 6 weeks, 2nd time 8 weeks .. in the end I let it be and somehow the fishes fight off.

All the best... really good track for newbie.


Wow.. that's some bad luck you had.. :crossfingers:
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:33 pm

This evening I reintroduced the fish into the DT.

First the Zebra Goby (who quickly darted under a rock, never to be seen again!)
And then the Clowns.

Acclimatising the Clowns. Ikea double ziplock bags are great for this!
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An hour later...
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Happy to be back in their home.
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Spot free and loving it!
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Over the next few days I'll monitor the fish closely to see how they go.

I'll also update the first post in this thread with some tips so that it can become a quick reference for people new to white spot treatment with hyposalinity.
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby LookingForNemo » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 10:53 am

Good work. Nice scaping!!
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 11:15 am

LookingForNemo wrote:Good work. Nice scaping!!


:thumbsup: Thanks!
I spent hours (literally hours and hours) working on that scape. During the last 8 weeks of fish isolation, I kept on arranging and rearranging the scape. It's probably like revision 20 or something by now!

Still not totally happy with it, but now that the fish are back in, I think I'll stick with it :)
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Re: My white spot treatment journal

Postby kit » Thu 19 Jul, 2012 12:24 am

First post has now been updated with a "Quick Reference"
Hopefully this will come in handy for any people new to Hyposalinity treatment. :thumbsup:
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Re: Cryptocaryon (Marine Ich) treatment journal -completed-

Postby Downu » Sun 10 Nov, 2013 9:23 pm

Good read thanks.

I am in the process of treating some fish my self. only at week 2 but all going well so far.
No dear that fish has been in there for ages.
I blame the power consumption on the teenager.
Time flies when you hit the snooze button.
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Re: Cryptocaryon (Marine Ich) treatment journal -completed-

Postby The Bobster » Mon 21 Apr, 2014 9:30 pm

Hi Kit, you have done well. I am about to go through the same thing and found your story very interesting but a bit sorting as I have to go through this as well.
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