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Ollie's 1500 x 800 x 600 starfire, I smashed it!!!

Postby millotoli » Tue 06 Aug, 2013 5:39 pm

Introduction:
I am hoping to be able to learn how to run a very healthy stable system. I want to go from using a system that i know works from others experience to using systems that i know work from my own experience.

We are after a simplistic scape with a nice balance of corals. a few nice fish... really a healthy little ecosystem.

I have almost no experience with large custom tanks or keeping sps, so this is really going to be learning curve for me, all help appreciated.

Another goal is to learn some patience, I am big on creating things but not great at maintaining them. I would like to make the tank as automated as I can with the limited space i have.
I hope anyone following this thread will keep me in check... :poke: :cop:



Thanks for reading.

Ollie :cheers:

System Objectives: Looking for a beautiful reef and to learn first hand how to raise a healthy reef.

System Type: Mixed reef.
Display System:

Strike up Date: Hopefully in the next few months

Display Tank: 1500 by 800 by 600. Opticlear on three sides, Peninsula tank

Display Lighting: ATI Power module.

Stand: powder coated galv stand
Hood: unsure.

Sump:Looking for optimum design.

Refugium: In sump

Refugium Lighting: LED


Support systems:

System Water: Both

Display Water circulation:Tunze

Return Pump:Sump return pump.

Skimmer: Deltec

Evaporation Top Up:Tunzel?


Chemical Support:

Calcium Addition: If not calcium reactor

Alkilinity Addition: If not calcium reactor

Other Chemical Maintenance: Magnesium etc

Current Water Chemistry: If applicable
Nitrates:
Phosphates:
Alkalinity:
Calcium:
Salinity / Specific Gravity:
Magnesuim:


Images:

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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby ryanrid » Tue 06 Aug, 2013 5:56 pm

Nice sized tank and good equipment list, looking fwd to see this come together
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Tue 06 Aug, 2013 6:00 pm

I have asked for a quote from a few of the tank builders in Adelaide and i am awaiting the prices.
What I have ordered (quoted) is the tank, stand, sump, skimmer, heater, ato, dosing, lights, return pump, rawphos reactor, dosing chambers, and power heads. hopefully if i just get everything from one supplier it will make it a more efficient build....

I am battling over a few decisions but i think i have nutted out what i want.

I have decided on a bean animal overflow box. this is mainly for to give me a clean wall to mount the power heads on, and just to keep the clean uncluttered look.

I have read a lot of journals here and i have decided on the ATI power-module over leds. But i am interested in the hybrid. Just wondering if its worth the extra money?

after seeing a couple of beautiful tank builds i thought that i had to go with opticlear glass on three viewing sides and frosted black glass on the weir end.

There seem to be two sump designs that are working well and i am not sure if there afe advantages to one over the other. Option 1 is just a 4 chamber sump with baffles, skimmer - DSB - Fuge - return.
Option 2 is more like Rod the reefers sump.

Let it begin!
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 7:30 pm

So i have had the quote back and I am fairly happy with the prices.
I have upgraded the skimmer from the deltec SC1455 to the Deltec sc2060
and i am going 2 with the tunze 6105 with controller 7096, and a smaller power head just to mix it up sometimes.
and i have thinking to go with a Schego Titanium Heater 600W.

we will see how quickly i can get the dosh together...
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 7:31 pm

ryanrid wrote:Nice sized tank and good equipment list, looking fwd to see this come together


Thanks mate.
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby ryanrid » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 7:38 pm

You can get a better skimmer than the deltec for significantly cheaper like a RLSS or similar deltec pricing vertex, bubble king etc
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby jayellul » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 7:46 pm

ryanrid wrote:You can get a better skimmer than the deltec for significantly cheaper like a RLSS or similar deltec pricing vertex, bubble king etc

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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 8:09 pm

for around the same price there is the ,Vertex Alpha 250 Int. Skimmer,

under a grand ... Skimz Monzter SM252,....
Tunze Master DOC Protein Skimmer 9430
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 8:20 pm

or Bubble King Supermarin 200 Internal Protein Skimmer for around the same price.

is there a notable difference with these skimmers?
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby ryanrid » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 8:58 pm

millotoli wrote:or Bubble King Supermarin 200 Internal Protein Skimmer for around the same price.

is there a notable difference with these skimmers?

Honestly I'd get this, more energy efficient, pulls double the air, quieter half the price.
http://www.guppysaquariumproducts.com.a ... _3392.html
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby Thommo01 » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 9:22 pm

Sounds like it will be a nice set-up. Just make sure you take it slow at the start.

Who are you getting prices from. I am going through getting quotes for tanks at the moment? Would seem that the only ones interested in doing these size of tanks are Marine +, Seaview and Elite Fish.

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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 10:02 pm

Thommo01 wrote:Sounds like it will be a nice set-up. Just make sure you take it slow at the start.

Who are you getting prices from. I am going through getting quotes for tanks at the moment? Would seem that the only ones interested in doing these size of tanks are Marine +, Seaview and Elite Fish.

Watching along


Hey mate.

I had asked for a quote from all three of them,
I am still waiting for seaview to get back to me but to be honest they sat there and told me the over flow wouldn't work, the sump design wouldn't work, etc, But we will see what they come back with. They asked if i had emailed them asking for the quote as they had just had a very similar request, 5,2.5,2 opticlear? would that be you then?
M+ have always looked after me and i was happy with there prices and quality,
Elite are great guys and i love there shop. i keep pushing them to go marine. i have asked them to do the water changes and cleaning for me. maybe when they see how much $ goes in they will invest! haha.

And don't worry i am not going to rush the tank... big dreams for it!

:cheers: Ollie
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 10:18 pm

ryanrid wrote:
millotoli wrote:or Bubble King Supermarin 200 Internal Protein Skimmer for around the same price.

is there a notable difference with these skimmers?

Honestly I'd get this, more energy efficient, pulls double the air, quieter half the price.
http://www.guppysaquariumproducts.com.a ... _3392.html


Hi Ryan, Thanks for the advise. It looks good.


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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby Thommo01 » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 10:30 pm

Could be my tank 6.5x2x2. Seaview were very helpful with my overflow design and let me know the issues with the original design. I agree M+ have always looked after me and given that the price of the tank has come back 1K less than Seaview has them very close to winning my business. Elite came in not too much more than M+. Still waiting for a price for Low iron though before I pull the trigger.
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 10:42 pm

Thommo01 wrote:Could be my tank 6.5x2x2. Seaview were very helpful with my overflow design and let me know the issues with the original design. I agree M+ have always looked after me and given that the price of the tank has come back 1K less than Seaview has them very close to winning my business. Elite came in not too much more than M+. Still waiting for a price for Low iron though before I pull the trigger.
Always fun spending money :-D

Did they convince you away from the external overflow?
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby Thommo01 » Wed 07 Aug, 2013 11:12 pm

Who, Seaview? No Rick just was worried about how it was original design. We talked and changed it but nothing much except for the width of the overflow.
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Re: Ollies 1500, 800, 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Thu 08 Aug, 2013 9:20 pm

I have accepted the quote from Marine plus.
I am very happy with their service and pricing.
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I have a bit of a stupid question but if i have a holding tank for NSW what is the best way to do a large water change without needing to heat the whole tank up or having a second 100-200L tank to heat it in?
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby Thommo01 » Fri 09 Aug, 2013 12:32 am

Only way to do a big change without heating the water up would be to do something like an automated system where you put in the water at a slow rate so the water temperature will not have as big an impact on the tank water temperature.

I have a double head peristaltic pump that changes 3L of water for me per day. Do the odd water change every now and then too just for good measure. Don't heat the water but it is only 10% and I put it in the start of the sump so it has time to blend before it hits the return pump and back to the sump.
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Fri 09 Aug, 2013 8:25 am

Thommo01 wrote:Only way to do a big change without heating the water up would be to do something like an automated system where you put in the water at a slow rate so the water temperature will not have as big an impact on the tank water temperature.

I have a double head peristaltic pump that changes 3L of water for me per day. Do the odd water change every now and then too just for good measure. Don't heat the water but it is only 10% and I put it in the start of the sump so it has time to blend before it hits the return pump and back to the sump.


Thanks,
I do want to go down the automated water change route,
I was looking at the thread with those pumps. Several guys have got them in from the usa and they seem to work well. will your pump still change enough for your 6.5? how much would you be changing?

:cheers: Ollie
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Postby Thommo01 » Fri 09 Aug, 2013 10:41 pm

It currently runs 3 hours per day and equals about 3L per day so about 10% every 10 days. I guess if I ran it longer then it would manage enough for the larger tank. But not that keen on having it run all day so plan is to leave it as is and every 2 weeks do a water change which wont be too hard with the planned new set-up as I will have an overflow straight into a drain. So just open a valve, dump fixed amount and fill back up. Most likely only to take about 5mins max once ready to roll.(in theory :-D )
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Postby millotoli » Fri 09 Aug, 2013 11:25 pm

Thommo01 wrote:It currently runs 3 hours per day and equals about 3L per day so about 10% every 10 days. I guess if I ran it longer then it would manage enough for the larger tank. But not that keen on having it run all day so plan is to leave it as is and every 2 weeks do a water change which wont be too hard with the planned new set-up as I will have an overflow straight into a drain. So just open a valve, dump fixed amount and fill back up. Most likely only to take about 5mins max once ready to roll.(in theory :-D )


Haha i have enough trouble getting the motivation to do water changes in my cichlid tank. I might just employ the boys down the road... good experience for them :thumbsup:

I will have to see how much water the bigger pumps move, would be good to get 10l per day at least.
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Fri 09 Aug, 2013 11:28 pm

:thumbsup: I have changed the skimmer from the Deltec to a bubble king. doposit is down tomorrow and hopefully in 2 months we it will be getting wet.
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Sun 11 Aug, 2013 9:13 pm

Should get the stand in 1-2 weeks, and the gear will slowly trickle in!
Have started playing around with sketchup but i am a bit confused how people get the detail of skimmers, plumbing etc. any tips? i will post a pic of what i have done but it is bad... haha

Do people in Adelaide rate the NSW collected here? or is ASW a better option?

Cheers Ollie
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Postby millotoli » Wed 14 Aug, 2013 1:58 pm

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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Fri 16 Aug, 2013 6:52 pm

Ordered the quarantine tank today, 3 by 20' by 18' 10mm rimless.
It will go in my daughters room, so she can enjoy the fish for a little while. and it will keep her off my back about getting her a bird...

Also ordered a 1200l tank to hold the NSW. i will start working on an auto water change system.

Waiting sucks!
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 10:08 pm

Time for a small update.

The tank is being started today,
I am hoping to pick it up in 3 weeks :crossfingers:

The stand has been made and just needs to be powder coated
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I have started picking up some of the gear, ill post photos when i have more to show :thumbsup:

I also picked up the quarantine tank today so should be getting that going in the next couple of days.

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I am going to turn it into a nem tank later down the track. Out of interest what would people recommend to run in the canister filter? I was going to throw some live rock in it, would that work?.

We are also trying to work on a fish list, i dont want to have large tangs and angels, I would like to keep smaller fish to try keep the tank in proportion . Any sugestions for tangs? I have thought of yellows, purples, kole, scopas, mimic, gem... but i am sure there are many more out there that dont get massive?

Cheers Ollie :cheers:
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby Thommo01 » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 10:39 pm

Nice stand. Just picked mine up from the coaters today :wink:

Tanks looks tiny sitting on that stand :-D

Live rock in a canister would work. Would need some discipline in regular cleaning of the canister to prevent heavy nitrate build-ups but with proper tank husbandry would be fine.
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Re: Ollies 1500 x 800 x 600 opticlear build

Postby millotoli » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 10:45 pm

Haha It does look a little odd. the stand was built for my cichlid tank but i am pulling that down. The QT is 3ft 20", 18"

What are you doing for cladding on your stand? are you getting someone to clad it or doing it yourself?
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Postby Thommo01 » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 10:59 pm

Probably make it myself(with help from dad who is a cabinet maker by trade) and then send off to get 2packed in black gloss.
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