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Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world - It's finally wet!

Postby Bandit » Mon 26 Nov, 2012 2:09 pm

Introduction: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world
Well the planning is on, and loads more yet to do. It has been the best part of 5 years since I have had a marine aquarium, but I have sorted out my life now, so it is time to get back into this addiction! A lot of this original post will develop over time, and you will see a lot of options below as I have yet to decide on a couple of things... but better to put it down so I don't forget (and you guys can critique me as well!)

Also if there are any guys out there who are handy with CAD or sketchup and want to do some drawings for me it would be greatly appreciated, I will repay the favour down the track :bow:

System Objectives:
From a stock perspective, mixed reef with a focus on SPS. I have been relatively successful in the past but I want to give the stonies a real nudge. It won't be a ULNS, but I hope my tank maintenance regime will stand up to the test. :book:
From a life perspective, I want something that other people will take enjoyment in viewing, especially my two kids (now 10 and 8). I want them to share the joy that keeping a marine aquarium gives me.
I also want something to come home and relax to at the end of a busy and stressful day at work.

System Type: Mixed reef

Display System:

Strike up Date: Estimated strike up date of April 2013

Display Tank: A new 3x2x2, with external weir. Considering starfire glass but costs will be considered. shallow 1" sand bed (I need to figure out how to keep this in place with high flow... maybe go higher grain size or do what Michael did and stick it down!

Display Lighting: GHL Mitras LED lighting

Cabinet: Will be timber framed with high gloss white cabinetry to match the new house. The cabinet will be oversized by 6 inches all around so I have a shelf to rest stuff on (like a bourbon and coke), but also to allow me to hold a few more tools of the trade underneath. It will also have cooling fans inbuilt and electrical points/powerbars etc housed separately form the wet area :think:

Hood: hoodless

Sump: Will probably go 3x14x18. All equipment such as skimmers, FBF etc will remain dry and be plumbed in with ball valves and unions, only thing actually in the sump will be the heater(s), the small powerhead through the ‘fuge section (if I have one) and the float switches for the top off.

Refugium: Might have a refugium partioned in the sump, not for the pod population but as a grow out area so I can harvest macro

Refugium Lighting: None


Support systems:

System Water: Natural salt water

Display Water circulation: A lot up in the air here. Items I am currently considering are (more than one will be implemented, I might even go with all 3):
  • Return manifold into display tank with locline outlets
  • Closed loop with penductors, probably powered by a Laguna 7000
  • Good old fashioned wave devices like the VorTech MP series or Tunze Turbelle’s

Return Pump:Sump return pump, have a few options sitting around, a Laguna 7000, an Iwaki MX70 or and Eheim 1060

Skimmer: Vertex Alpha 300

Evaporation Top Up: Tunze osmolator

Aquarium control and monitoring ok here is where I will be spending a fair bit of my budget.
Profilux setup that covers off the following:
  • Controller with webserver
  • Display unit
  • Vortech/Tunze control (if I go this way)
  • Mitras control
  • 4 way dosing pump
  • SMS capability
  • Temperature
  • Ph
  • Conductivity
  • ORP

I will be using Hanna Checkers (great bit of kit!) to test for Calcium, Alkalinity, Phosphate, and Salifert test kits for Magnesium and Nitrate


Chemical Support:

Calcium, Alkalinity and Magnesium Addition: Will dose Randy Holmes-Farley’s 3 part recipe initially dosed via the dosing pump

Other Chemical Maintenance: May consider the ZEOvit or Red Sea Additives to get the corals to colour up, but loads more research to be done on this front. Will also be dosing ozone.

Current Water Chemistry: Tank still in my imagination
Nitrates:
Phosphates:
Alkalinity:
Calcium:
Salinity / Specific Gravity:
Magnesium:

Intended Fish Stocklist:

I love different fish, and I especially love the coral gobies… given I want to have lots of staghorn corals… only seems right to have them as well.

On face value 18 fish… but most of them only around 3-4cm long… so I think bioload should be ok…

  • Pair of yellow coral gobies Gobiodon okinawae
  • Pair of painted coral gobies Gobiodon histrio
  • Pair of needlespine coral gobies Gobiodon acicularis
  • Pair of rippled coral gobies Gobiodon rivulatus
  • Six line wrasse Pseudocheilinus hexataenia – purely for bug warfare Image
  • Potters angelfish Centropyge potteri
  • Golden Angelfish Centopyge aurantia
  • Pair of Black Cap Grammas Gramma melacara
  • Pair of Picasso/Onyx clownfish Amphiprion oscellaris or McCullochi clowns Amphiprion mccullochi
  • Pair of Western Australian Mandarins Synchiropus occidentalis
  • Purple Tang Zebrasoma xanthurum


Intended Coral Stocklist:
I am going to go fairly hard with the small polyped stony corals… with a couple of very selective lps and even a softie thrown in there as well!

I am going to be extremely picky with my corals… I don’t just want a tank full of filler, so it may take a while to get it all together, through frags or selected wild colonies. Of course there will be an obligatory frag of Dallas acro in there!

  • Various Acropora spp.
  • Various Montipora spp.
  • Various Pocillopora spp.
  • Various Stylophora spp.
  • Various Merulina spp.
  • Various Seriatopora spp.

    I'm sure I have missed a few SPS family members there, but for now that will do :nut:

    Sand dwellers (well in my tank)
  • Heliofungia actiniformis
  • Various Fungia spp.
  • Various Scolymia spp.
  • Various Acanthastrea spp.
And finally a electric blue Cespitularia… a friend of mine Mark Chapman gave me a frag of this when I first had my reef and I absolutely loved it, yes it is a softie but I want it… so will have to figure out how to manage it (maybe on it’s own rock island away from everything else!

Intended Invert Stocklist:

The other thing I love along with coral gobies are my shrimp, these and other inverts will be present
  • Pair of red line cleaner shrimp Lysmata amboiensis
  • Pair of blood shrimp Lysmata debelius
  • Various snails Astrea spp., Turbo spp., Trochus spp. , Cerith sp. snails
  • a couple of marine hermit crabs
  • Tigertail cucumber Holothuria hilla
  • Various clams such as Squamosa, Maxima etc

And probably the most volatile of this list… a Rose Bubble Tip Anemone Entacmaea quadricolor.. I am aware of the challenge of this little guy in terms of roaming, but will see how I go.

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To come so for now you will have to put up with the dancing banana chorus line
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 26 Nov, 2012 2:17 pm

Later down the track will add a frag tank onto this system, but for now the frag tank/quarantine tank will be separate. I figure I can use the one tank for both as I don't plan on using medication/hypo etc. If I need that I will set up a hospital tank.
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby damer » Mon 26 Nov, 2012 5:24 pm

woo hoo. :clap: :clap:
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby priscacara » Mon 26 Nov, 2012 7:53 pm

Now thats what I call a plan! I just make mine up as I go along so I'm sure it will bite me before too long. Looking forward to seeing yours develop.
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Tone » Mon 26 Nov, 2012 8:29 pm

Excellent setup, Jamie ... you can feel the experience coming through.
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby King Venom » Mon 26 Nov, 2012 8:38 pm

Sounds great can't wait
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Tue 27 Nov, 2012 11:22 am

damer wrote:woo hoo. :clap: :clap:


Am still trying to beat you to having my tank up and running before yours Damo, but I think you may just pip me :poke:

priscacara wrote:Now thats what I call a plan! I just make mine up as I go along so I'm sure it will bite me before too long. Looking forward to seeing yours develop.

Thanks mate, I am just a planner by nature. I am one of those guys that has detailed itineraries when he goes away etc... so if I don't have a plan it feels just wrong. Other people however see me as anal, pedantic and annoying :konk:

Tone wrote:Excellent setup, Jamie ... you can feel the experience coming through.


Thanks Tone, will definitely be picking your brains over the course of this.

King Venom wrote:Sounds great can't wait


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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:04 am

Ok so here are some sketchups... I think I am pretty much set on a 3x2x2..

First is a sketch of firechilds 3x2x2 which I am going to steal with pride :pirate:

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Second is a sketch done by Rod (rodneyri) who kindly offered some of his time to throw the tank onto a cabinet for me. Cabinet will be 6" wider than the tank on three sides to allow for more equipment underneath, and to provide a handy ledge for a beverage! :cheers:

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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:13 am

Hmmm have to resize the pic it seems?
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Rod the Reefer » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:14 am

Looking good Jamie.

Pink Hystrix? :devil:

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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:22 am

Rod the Reefer wrote:Looking good Jamie.

Pink Hystrix? :devil:

Rod. :thumbsup:


One of many if a few reefers are happy to help me out :poke:
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:26 am

Given the larger cabinet now I think the sump will be a standard 3 footer, but this will be a decision made only once I get the cabinet and can see how it all lays out etc.

The cabinet will be 1000mm high to the bench to enable a little more room underneath as well.

Now just need to find a company to make my stand and one to make cabinetry for the cabinet around the stand :book:

Going 3x2x2 now brings in some complications with the lighting as I think I will need two Mitras units... this is a much larger expense so will have to think about this a bit. Few ways to cut this but some more thinking required
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby fishguy23 » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:38 am

you may get away with one unit, zeebull on the forum is running a single unit over his 1000x1000 tank. still early days for him, but a centralized aquascape and you would be right i should think.
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:52 am

fishguy23 wrote:you may get away with one unit, zeebull on the forum is running a single unit over his 1000x1000 tank. still early days for him, but a centralized aquascape and you would be right i should think.


Yeah, and may even be that that is the way I go to start with, and add one in later if I need to... just have to do some thinking
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby ssscuz » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 11:54 am

It won't be hard for you to beat damer to filling his tank....

Sounds like a great plan mate. Nice work
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Postby StripestheEel » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 4:13 pm

Excellent. Bring back the experience I say.
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 4:24 pm

StripestheEel wrote:Excellent. Bring back the experience I say.


:thumbsup:

Now send me the pics of the a-grade picasso clowns Darren said you guys have :poke:
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Cale W » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 4:52 pm

Hi mate. Build looks great. You may have already considered it but I have tinkered with the idea of an acrylic box to cover the piping from closed loops or coast to coast overflows so it looks slick when viewed side on.
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby CBrian » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 4:54 pm

Looks sick man! Why not cut down 6 inches and go for 18inch high? That way one Mitras would cover plenty?
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Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 5:10 pm

Cale W wrote:Hi mate. Build looks great. You may have already considered it but I have tinkered with the idea of an acrylic box to cover the piping from closed loops or coast to coast overflows so it looks slick when viewed side on.


Thanks Cale :thumbsup: I haven't considered it... still have to get my head around how it is actually going to look. Definitely given me something to think about though. I like my plumbing to be nice and clean, so if it is on display it will be tidy... but I may hide it still.

CBrian wrote:Looks sick man! Why not cut down 6 inches and go for 18inch high? That way one Mitras would cover plenty?


Yeah I could, but then I don't have as much grow out space. :pirate: Maybe I just need GHL to do me a 2-for-1 deal (Michael are you reading this!!! :poke: ) The other thing is the sandstorm in the tank is going to be bad enough I think let alone dropping it 6"
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby pazz » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 6:18 pm

Great build plan mate , have a look at zee bulls tank journal one of those light units covers his tanl
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Mon 03 Dec, 2012 7:04 pm

ssscuz wrote:It won't be hard for you to beat damer to filling his tank....

Sounds like a great plan mate. Nice work


Thanks Nathan, I dunno... Since I started planning he has pulled his finger out!

pazz wrote:Great build plan mate , have a look at zee bulls tank journal one of those light units covers his tanl


Will do.... Early days :cheers:
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Wed 05 Dec, 2012 8:35 am

OK, so Rod (rodneyri) has been helping me with some further drawings. Thanks Rod you are awesome mate! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Here is a side by side comparison pic with one vs two mitras units...
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and based on that, I believe the winner is
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby babyreefer » Wed 05 Dec, 2012 4:40 pm

Wow! Gonna be an epik set up! :cheers:
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Postby parrdog » Thu 06 Dec, 2012 6:57 pm

Gonna be sick mate, that's for sure :).
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Postby iorlas » Fri 07 Dec, 2012 10:13 am

Looks good, going to follow this one for sure!
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Postby Bandit » Fri 07 Dec, 2012 11:12 am

babyreefer wrote:Wow! Gonna be an epik set up! :cheers:
Looking forward to more updates! :clap:


parrdog wrote:Gonna be sick mate, that's for sure :).


iorlas wrote:Looks good, going to follow this one for sure!


Thanks guys... early days and loads of planning to do.

I have the contact details for 3 tank builders, so will reach out to them in the next week or so for a quote, and then it is on to the cabinet.

Rod got me thinking about if I should set the tank on top of the cabinet or recess it in... I think I will just have it sitting on top of the cabinet, and then have a small moulding to put around the base to neaten it up a little. I am concerned that small spills of water over the side will settle into the recessed area if I have one... this way I can simply just remove the moulding every so often, give it a quick qipe down and the job is done :thumbsup:
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby some_one » Fri 07 Dec, 2012 3:49 pm

Sounds like an interesting build, tagging along :thumbsup:

For the molding have you thought of strips of acrylic (what ever colour suits you) and then just silicone to onto the glass, and run a bead of silicone (same colour as the acrylic) around the base of acrylic to the top of your cabinet. That'll be nice and watertight
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby Bandit » Fri 07 Dec, 2012 5:28 pm

some_one wrote:Sounds like an interesting build, tagging along :thumbsup:

For the molding have you thought of strips of acrylic (what ever colour suits you) and then just silicone to onto the glass, and run a bead of silicone (same colour as the acrylic) around the base of acrylic to the top of your cabinet. That'll be nice and watertight


Good idea but want them removable... so I will just get some timber moulding and fit some hinges to the inside of it so I can wrap it around the base when I don't need to work on it.

Got the concept in my head, just have to see how it comes out :spit:
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Re: Bandit's re-entry into the aquatic world

Postby rodneyri » Fri 07 Dec, 2012 5:48 pm

what about something like this if you want to hide the foam.

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