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Postby wmackay » Fri 16 Sep, 2011 9:01 am

Introduction:
Finally got the tank I wanted guys, so its time to start my system, and hopefully do it the right way from scratch this time. I'm going to try and throw up where I get my equipment from, how I did things and try to explain every aspect of a typical build, as I will be attempting 90% myself. Hopefully it will help answer some questions, maybe even trigger some
New ones :) any constructive criticism welcome.
System Objectives:
To have a stable, healthy system with minimal maintenance.
System Type:
Mixed reef (LPS/SOFTIE/SPS) with a few fish.
Display System:

Strike up Date:
September 2011
Display Tank:
32x20x20 DT, 12mm Glass all round, rimless, bevelled edges, external weir, maximize internal tank volume, better surface skimming, greater flexibility
Bought from St George Aquariums - $120
Display Lighting:
DALUA SS 60cm 50:50 B:W W/OPTICS
Stand:
Pine stand, 1200 long x 1000 high x 600 deep. 3x2 and 4x2 pine, 12mm mdf top. Either cladded and painted or dressed with nice timer and stained dark.
[bBought from Hardware Man Bulli, 100mm SS screws and 3 6.0M legnths of 3x2 and 4x2. $70. Jarrah stain, 3 coast and varnish/laquer.. [/b] all up inc elec,paint and stain, and All acc about $300 DONE
Hood:
Hood? Rimless all the way! = $0 heheh :devil:
Sump:
Current tank, 800x400x500. 3 sections, intake/skimmer, dsb/macro, return/heaters, ATO. Cutting and installing glass dividers myself.
2 tubes of selleys marine silicon $20
Refugium:
In sump DSB, LR rubble on top with some Macro.
refugium lighting
2x20w T8 unit, 1 10K, 1 Actinic DONE
Support systems:
System Water:
NSW
Display Water circulation:
Return @ Approx. 2000LPH, 2x3000 LPH wavemakers,
Return Pump:
Gunna be RED DEVIL D 3 or 4000
Skimmer:
Marine Sources SDP-900 Internal MS Skimmer
Guppys Aquarium Products - $180
Evaporation Top Up:
Guppys ATS with relay system
Chemical Support:

Calcium Addition:
Kalkwasser?
Alkilinity Addition:
Kalkwasser?
Other Maintenance:
May try ZEO down the road.
Temp controlled via electronic unit, remote controller for pumps,lights etc. Going to try and eventually create FULLY automated/remote controlled system (temp, pH, lighting,power, alarm SMS) shouldnt cost anything as I have access to 99% of the equipment, being a telco :)
Current Water Chemistry: If applicable
Nitrates:
Phosphates:
Alkalinity:
Calcium:
Salinity / Specific Gravity:
Magnesuim:


Images:
Just a funny looking banana at the moment?
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Re: WOODYS 32x20x20 rimless, LED reef. PICS UP

Postby wmackay » Fri 16 Sep, 2011 9:34 pm

Time for PICS.

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The new DT. Excuse the clothes, I forgot to iron
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shows the position of the drilled holes... not ideal but I can work with it. Probably need another one yet.
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I like the depth, should be easier to plan an open 'scape
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Just showing how good the edges are, how could I not go rimless?
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Duncans, But just realised what the hell is underneath them?!?! looks like a fire worm
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Tubaestrea showing signs of recovery
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The current tank that THIS one is replacing. Not in the greatest shape to say the least. TOTM anyone?
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Just cause I liked it
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for the dog lovers. Her name is Kirra and this is what she sleeps in, a hobos house hahah :D spoilt thing gets more
blankets than me
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Re: WOODYS 32x20x20 rimless, LED reef PHOTOS 15/9

Postby wmackay » Sun 18 Sep, 2011 10:43 pm

I decided what I want to do about the gear,
I'm going to build the stand out of square tube, then clad with wood.
Sump will be three chamber, first chamber will be intake w/ filtersock. Should I put the matrix and rawphos in there too?? Then gets the water as it enters
Chamber 2 will be dab/LR rubble/ macro. Chamber 3 heaters and return.

Still have to source some black adhesive vynil and black acrylic. Then when I save some more I'll put an order in at guppys for some of the equipment :devil:

What size piping should my overflow/durso/return be?
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 10:43 am

After talking to some other guys on here I have decided I'm going to get some more holes drilled so I can have the overflow/durso/return in one weir. Will be putting a bulkhead and ball valve on the other hole for a drain so I can do waterchanges without having to syphon water out. A good idea from a fellow reefer :thumbsup:
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby pafc64 » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 12:52 pm

Hi
Looking good so far keep up the updates to show your progress & of course pics as we all like pics :thumbsup:

Love your dog Kirra :-x Shes awesome typical staffie face & good looks & typical sitting positon just like My Staffys do :)
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 1:23 pm

Cheers mate :)
Yeh she's pretty much my baby, I was the one who got up at 2 in the morning to feed her when she was a pup not dad haha.
Ill update soonish, but not much has happened cause i get home from work at about 630 so dont get time to do much. going to get some gear this weekend, probably get the tank drilled and buy some glass to put the weir in. then I can Start to fab the stand this weekend too. If I make the stand out of some sqaure tube, it will only take a couple hours to knock up. would marine ply be suffiecient to put on top? then there would be a nice flat, water resistant surface for the tank to sit on :) may even buy a standard 2 or 3 footer and do te sump as well.
Then time for pics and into all the fun stuff :devil:

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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 2:10 pm

I have decided that If i am going to do this properly, I would like to start from scratch, meaning new sand, new rock, new water. I think I will use some base rock and buy a nice new box of uncured rock from a supplier. I am going to be patient with this one, and let it do a complete cycle plus some. I may grab some live sand for a DSB/'fuge and water off someone IF their tank is pristene unlike mine haha. The rock I have now does have corraline on it, but it is also covered with hair/bubble and other pest algaes that i dont want in the new one. Yes, I know, phosphates and water quality. its because im using treated tap water. I will have an RO system by the time the new one is up.
The water in the new tank should be 1000 times better, so i hopefullywont have too many algae issues apart from the initial plagues. think I am going to sell my corals because the swap over time will be too much.. plus They are in good shape and I would like to see them go to a good home. The upside is I get to make up a new coral list :devil:
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby pafc64 » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 3:01 pm

Hi
Yep Marine ply will be good to use & sounds like your on the right track too with taking it slow & getting it correct, a RO unit is deffinitely a better way to go as youve obviously learned.
My tanks 18mnths now & finally starting to slow down the algae blooms & believe Me Ive had nearly every type of algae that you can get bar Bubble & Bryopsis.
Good luck & have fun :wavey:
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 4:29 pm

Okay thanks. Yeh f***en tap water :wall:
Ahh wel, algae isn't the end of the world, as long as it isn't bubble or the bad type. :) I'm not all that worried about the blooms, I wasn't going to introduce e bubble algae into the new tank if I can help it.
Once I have the boring stuff out of the way should be fun :D
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Thu 22 Sep, 2011 9:45 am

Going to buy bulkheads/plumbing tomorrow, maybe grab some black vynil for the back an se if I can get the tank drilled. Then building the stand this weekend, probably end up just building from wood, got a chippy mate who could help out (probably do the whole thing but thats not what I told him ;) ) haha. Then Ill put some more pics up!
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Mon 26 Sep, 2011 6:53 pm

Pulled the old tank down today, left some of the good rock in a tank witha heater and powerhead. The rest I'm drying out and using as base rock and rock rubble
For pod piles. cleaned it and I'm going to re silicon it when I put the pieces in to make it a sump. Got my return pump and a calcium and phosphate kit from Jason at animal house. Super nice bloke :thumbsup: probably goin to build the sump
Tomorrow cause I have 3 days off :)
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby slin1977 » Mon 26 Sep, 2011 9:23 pm

I love a good tank build,
Watching your progress mate....
Best of luck too....
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Mon 26 Sep, 2011 9:28 pm

Cheers mate,
Yeh Gunna start from scratch and do things properly this time. Shouldn't be too hard coming from a sumpless, skimmerless, tap water top-up tank :thumbsup:
Gunna do some stuff tomorrow, then a few photos :)
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Re: 32x20x20 braceless, bevelled, rimless reef PHOTOS 16/9

Postby wmackay » Wed 05 Oct, 2011 2:52 pm

Bit of an update,
* rock has dryed enough to scrub the s**t off, so I will be using it as base rock cause there is some nice pieces :)
* Came to the conclusion that I am not interested in having SPS, I know everyone lately is infactuated with iot and the challenge that comes with it but The more I see quality LPS tanks the more I want to have mine as JUST a softie/LPS tank. So, on that note do you think that a 100W led unit would be sufficient? I was looking at the one from guppys. Its cheap and peple have said 120W would be fine for SPS, so I cant see why 100W wouldnt be good enough for lower light corals?
* bought the wood and want to start the tank this weekend.
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Stand 80% done PICS

Postby wmackay » Sat 15 Oct, 2011 6:38 pm

*15/10/2011- So got to work on the stand today and got it about 80% finished. Its DEFINITELY not coming apart, 3x2 and 4x2 pine, 100mm 316 grade SS srews. I think my drill nearly packed it in after about 16 of them :O Now for pics
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My schematics. I swear they were drawn up by an engineer
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The screws I am using, these things mean business!!
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The raw product
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All cut up
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top done - excuse the drop kick in the corner haaha
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top and botom done
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Little brothers mate showing the height. I didn't think 1000mm would be so high :\
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Stand 80% done PICS

Postby wmackay » Sun 16 Oct, 2011 2:42 pm

Got the rest of the stand done today, squared everything up and put in the second supports. Had a bit of wood left over so i threw it in the back, now I can either srew some shelves on or put powerpoints there. Also adds a bit off lateral support.

So far, goods list looks a bit like this :

4.0 M of 4x2 structural pine.

6.0 M of 3x2 structural pine.

55 X 316 grade 90 MM 8 guage SS screws.

25 X 70 MM Gal screws

25 X 70 MM Nails

1 X 1800x600x12mm glued pine

1 X 1200x600x12mm ply

Cost to date : approx $110.

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Where im at now.

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How the supports are glued and screwed. One runs inside the two frams, one between.

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Electrical Panel.

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Pine top

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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Stand 90% done PICS

Postby wmackay » Tue 18 Oct, 2011 8:26 pm

MINI UPDATE:

got all the parts to wire up my electrical panel, have temp controller coming within the week. Paint and clad the stand tomorrow, plus have about 5 kg of base rock ready to go in and be seeded :thumbsup:
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Stand 90% done PICS

Postby wmackay » Fri 21 Oct, 2011 8:22 am

UPDATE:
*Stand painted and cladded... ready to go!
*electrical panel being done this arvo, got all the stuff
*Got all the plumbing to do this weekend
*next pay will be the DIY LED display lighting
*Put my order in at guppys just then (skimmer, ATO, filter sock and mount etc).... only now am i actually seeing my tank coming together haha wooo!!
should be wet within 3 weeks!!

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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby wmackay » Tue 25 Oct, 2011 9:37 am

Plumbing order is in, Everything is starting to snowball now! trimmed the stand, waiting for my guppies order, temp controller, remote controller, wired up a 48V fan. going to stain stand this week and finish resealign sump this weekend. When get the plumbing I can finishe that in a couple days and then time to get it wet! pics when I get home
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby w00t » Tue 25 Oct, 2011 10:03 am

Would like to see the stand now with the cladding on it ... are you doing doors on the front or is it to be open?
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby wmackay » Tue 25 Oct, 2011 10:14 am

Ill post up when I get home. I have made it so the whole front can be taken off, like one big door. I have udes push clips like the ones used in kitchens, seems to hold the weight fine.
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby pompeii » Tue 25 Oct, 2011 2:16 pm

Thought I would pop over to check out your setup. Coming along nicely.
$120 for that tank? A steal! :clap:

Don't all the incidental costs add up. I needed a couple of washers and ended up having to buy a pack of 50 for $5 or whatever the cost.
From plumbers tape to endless plumbing bits, it all adds up. Once it's wet, the cost of filling the thing with pretty corals comes next lol.

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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby siddr20 » Tue 25 Oct, 2011 2:33 pm

Stand is looking great.. Bargain getting the tank for 120 bucks..
Look forward to seeing the progress on this tank.
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby wmackay » Sun 30 Oct, 2011 7:58 pm

pompeii wrote:Thought I would pop over to check out your setup. Coming along nicely.
$120 for that tank? A steal! :clap:

Don't all the incidental costs add up. I needed a couple of washers and ended up having to buy a pack of 50 for $5 or whatever the cost.
From plumbers tape to endless plumbing bits, it all adds up. Once it's wet, the cost of filling the thing with pretty corals comes next lol.

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Thanks pompeii,
Yeh tank isnt huge but its a rally good quality, could always turn into a frag tank. Aww mate u couldnt be more right!! EVERYTHING in the bloody stand build as well as plumbing I have had to buy. new screws, full tins of paint, full tins of plumbing glue. I am upto about 6 bunnings receipts over $70 already :/ it will be worth in though!
Stand is looking great.. Bargain getting the tank for 120 bucks..
Look forward to seeing the progress on this tank.


Thanks Sidd,.
Yeh tank is nice, stand is good however it took 4 weekends to finish! so much for one weekend like i estimated!

Plumbed the tank on friday minus the emergency durso, yet to be drilled. Everything is watertight which is a relief, as I have never done something like this before! :clap: with the setup ill be using, should be damn close to a silent overflow, and another plus is that my cheapie return pump is actually so silent i have to stick my head inside the sump to see if its working?!! definitely a plus :thumbsup: should get the skimmer and return outlets monday or tuesday, so pretty keen to get it in and running :)
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *UPDATED 21/10/2011

Postby wmackay » Wed 02 Nov, 2011 4:26 pm

UPDATES!! about time i got some photos up.
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some of the plumbing... WETEARTH is unreal. Ordered my stuff on wednesday got it friday morning and their in victoria!
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just the durso emergency.. i think black looks nice
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about where the syphon will be, maybe a bit lower. the durso will be just higher and be the emergency, fully open.
still need to get the 2 ball valves.
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quick side shot with extrnal powerpoints
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got some goodies yesterday
the skimmer is lot bigger than I thought!!
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all mocked up with another coat of stain. Just needs laquer now. And yes ill be putting a 45 on the return so the end loc line points into the water.. I know its the wrong one but I ordered it when I was thinking about a bottom return!
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sumps just abit bright hah
just waiting on remote controller, drill from ebay so i can drill the durso, silicon last two dividers in sump, then time ti ut everything in and fill!
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *PICS UP 2/11*

Postby wmackay » Tue 08 Nov, 2011 9:40 pm

couple pics of recent work
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Skimmer getting a vinegar bath
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managaed to pull something out of a cup full of nsw??
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completed sump
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temp controller wired up
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return outlet, will be at about rim level
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finally got my galss drill and drilled hole for emergency durso.
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how it will be fixed in weir.
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Prorgress 8/11"

Postby siddr20 » Sat 12 Nov, 2011 1:30 pm

Coming along very nicely :) Look forward to reading more updates on this.
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Prorgress 8/11"

Postby wmackay » Sat 12 Nov, 2011 3:12 pm

Cheers sidd,
Quick update. nothing much
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Moved my elec panel, still need to tidy cables. OCD coming out again :wall:
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Final sump setup, skimmer, dsb, pod farm, return
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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Prorgress 8/11"

Postby nUm » Sat 12 Nov, 2011 7:00 pm

Looking good so far.

Do you plan to put some sort of divider to create a weir around your siphon and dorso? You will have an awful lot of water returning into your sump with your current setup.

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Re: 32x20x20 Braceless, Rimless Custom. *Prorgress 8/11"

Postby wmackay » Sat 12 Nov, 2011 7:14 pm

Hi Jason,
Yeh the weirs have been ordered, I just waited until I plumbed it so I can work around the plumbing. Will be 2 individual weirs, the return being a dry dock. The drains weir will
Be 20mm shorter than the top of the tank and have about 360mm of surface skimming length. It is designed that siphon takes 99% of flow and durso is there for an emergency. Yet a trickle runs down it constantly to stop the siphon having to take all the drain flow an starting to suck air too making sound. I have done tests and this system is damn near silent :)
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