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Postby listen_to_slayer » Wed 12 Sep, 2007 11:39 pm

Hi Everyone :wavey:

I'm pretty quiet on here, mostly spend my time reading and learning from others' posts, but i may as well introduce myself, my names Adam, I'm a 20 year old uni student from Melbourne who has come to realise that marine aquariums aren't a good hobby if you have a tiny income.... however I've started compiling everything for my new tank.

<b>Equipment so far:</b>
6x2 Cabinet & Stand (just needing to be stained over the next week or so)
6x2x2 Tank
4x18x18 Sump
Reef Octopus NW-200 skimmer (wishing I'd got a beckette now)
2 x Tunze 6080's
2 x Jager 300 Watt heaters
OceanRunner 6500 Return

<b>Equipment still to buy:</b>
Tunze Osomolater
3 x 250 Metal Halide units
Sand and Live rock (goodbye money)
anything I'm forgetting?

I'm aiming for a reef setup, so i can do something i have yet to do, keep corals successfully, I would love to be able to have some SPS like montis and maybe some stags or acro, and some LPS like acans and brains. I am also planning on having a massive clean up crew to keep the tank a little cleaner.

Fish I want to keep:
1 Yellow Tang
1 Flame Hawk
A group of ~4 Anthia's
1 or 2 small wrasse's
and i would love a Powder Blue Tang and a Regal or Emperor angel, however from what I've heard they are either too difficult to keep for the average aquarist (or in the case of the emperor, too likely to eat corals)

not sure what other fish i will put in yet, any suggestions?

and i know what you're all like about pictures, so although i have nothing special heres my gear.

Display Tank
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Sump
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do the "baffles" look odd to anyone else? the one on the left looks to me like it would do nothing. again suggestions would be appreciated.

Gear
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Thanks for your time
Adam
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Postby atty » Wed 12 Sep, 2007 11:57 pm

Lookin great mate, your def on a great start. The baffles do look a tad low, but i would say there for keeping in the sand from the fuge. If it really pi** you off just add some more glass to build the height up.
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Postby jft » Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:16 am

Looks good Adam! I know what you mean by uni students and reef tanks... But there are some benefits, if you're living at home, like free electricity!

Always wondered why some sumps were built this way? What do you plan on keepig in the sump, apart from skimmer, heaters, return pump?

Plenty of options for fish in a tank that size. I'd go with a powder blue, great looking fish. You shouldn't have any problems as long as you quarantine it.
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Postby glennb » Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:57 am

You don't do things by halves, do you? That's an ambitious tank on a student budget. Still, if it makes you work harder to keep the dosh flowing to support it, that's a good thing.

Equipment doesn't maketh the reef, all the research your doing is what will make this tank a success.

Now wouldn't be a bad time to join MASOV and come to a meeting. There's a bunch of people you can bounce ideas off. And as a student, for the $20 joining fee you get a $20 Seca Marine voucher, so the membership's effectively free anyway.

(Yes Jack, you overpaid. Illiterate bloody uni student can't read the form where it says 'student' $20)
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Postby jft » Thu 13 Sep, 2007 1:10 am

Ouch! Seems like someone has changed the membership forms... I swear the 'student' option wasn't there when i signed up. Ah well i'll just have to take $15 worth of frags from your tank to make up the difference.

Adam, you could spend that $20 voucher at the next MASOV meeting at Seca Marine in October. Well worth it
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Postby glennb » Thu 13 Sep, 2007 1:40 am

You're at a bit of a disadvantage here Jack, since I've got your form in front of me, but if you insist your innocent of any administrative error we can settle it by betting my favourite coral against yours.
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Postby jft » Thu 13 Sep, 2007 1:47 am

Purple stag it is... That membership form has changed though. Are you referring to concession on the 'old' form? Because i would have ticked student.

Sorry, we'll stop hijacking now
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Fri 14 Sep, 2007 12:11 am

jft wrote:What do you plan on keeping in the sump, apart from skimmer, heaters, return pump?


originally i wanted a DSB and some macro in there however i dont think think the tank is deep enough for that, so maybe just some macro and the equipment.

glennb wrote:You don't do things by halves, do you?


haha nah, i work 2 days a week and put aside as much as i can, so hopefully should have the rest of the gear in the next two months. i'll most likely start the system up in the coming weeks using a 4 foot T5 lighting unit i have and cycle the tank then put the halides in and move the T5 unit to the sump.

Thinking of starting off with 20kg of live rock and adding 2-3 kilos a week until i have enough, does this sound alright? or am i better off just saving and putting 60 odd kilos in, in one go?

thanks everyone for your responses! :cheers:
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Postby jft » Fri 14 Sep, 2007 12:17 am

listen_to_slayer wrote:
originally i wanted a DSB and some macro in there however i dont think think the tank is deep enough for that, so maybe just some macro and the equipment.



It's not too late to change that small baffle if you wanted to have a RDSB. I've got a RDSB and fuge in my middle compartment and with my heavy bioload i have 0 nitrates, and almost 0 phosphates. Just a thought
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Postby glennb » Fri 14 Sep, 2007 1:07 am

With the readings Jack gets from Calcium test kits I wouldn't trust him on the 0 nitrate :-0

With 2-3kg pieces of rock you'll end up with a pile of rubble. You'll want some larger pieces. Bigger the better for aesthetics. You dont see many pieces available over 8kg, but I'd shoot for at least three pieces around this mark. You can add one each few weeks if you like. Personally I'd save up and do the 60kg at once. Your LFS ought to give you a good discount on the per kg price if you order 3-4 boxes and collect it when they take hold of it i.e. so they don't need to bother unpacking it.
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Tue 18 Sep, 2007 8:11 pm

with changing the baffles on the sump do i have to make certain clearances between the baffles to ensure flow is maintained through the sump and i dont have an overflowing section? or does it equalise?

also thinking about putting 5-7 lyretail anthias (females) is this too many? thinking of leaving the stocking list at the anthia's a small yellow tang, a flame hawk and some clown gobies. currently deciding on centerpiece fish, either the PBT or emperor angel.

hope im not on the wrong track and being way too ambitious :P thanks guys
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Postby jft » Fri 26 Oct, 2007 12:52 am

How's the progress? Did you alter the sump in the end?
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Sat 27 Oct, 2007 12:57 am

the other week i modified the sump, tomorrow i've got to try and find a signwriter early to try and get some blue vinyl for the back of the tank, then in the early afternoon i plan to put the tank on the stand.

Sometime later this week ernie is coming over to do the plumbing, then it will just be a matter of getting 1000L of NSW home... (wont that be fun), and then i'll need to get a box of live rock... so by mid next week i might have a fish tank to start this journal on.

will post pics asap! i know how much everyone likes pictures!
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Postby justinfox » Sat 27 Oct, 2007 9:33 am

Damn you must be a patient guy!!! :konk: :pirate: :roflmao: :drink:
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Thu 29 Nov, 2007 9:12 pm

update:
finally... tonight i added 40kgs of live rock, i'll get a photo asap and post it up. excited to have this thing finally on the road.

anyone here going to be fragging ANY lps or sps corals soon???? if you are feeling generous i'll take them off your hands for free, or a fee if need be.

pictures soon.
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Postby blakey88 » Thu 29 Nov, 2007 9:35 pm

cool! how did you modify your sump? because i think i will modify mine aswell (ive got the same sump as you but 3 foot long) did you just get another piece of glass ad put silicone sealant on the base and sides of the new piece of glass?

looking forward to seeing pics :)
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Postby OziFish » Thu 29 Nov, 2007 9:37 pm

I'm with Justin... I don't know how you can be so patient!!!!!!!!!!! Now you just have to retain the patience while it cycles :)

Look forward to seeing the pictures

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Postby listen_to_slayer » Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:08 pm

<img src="http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/funeral__thirst/finalsump.jpg">

this is what the final design of the sump is, i left the short peiece of glass short incase water level went low and caused my pump to burn out.

photos soon, will try and aquascape tomorrow night.

also with the cycle, thinking if i leave it about a month or so then add some snails then leave it for another month and then start adding some corals, then a month after that add some fish? i guess we'll see how patient i am.

anyone here suggest feeding the tank during the cycle?

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Postby listen_to_slayer » Sat 01 Dec, 2007 6:40 pm

heres some photo's, waiting until for a few weeks before i add base rock and do the aquascape.

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photos of the rock with plenty of coralline
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end to end
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water seems a little yellow, after the cycle would carbon clear it up?

parameters so far are:
PH: ~8.5
NITRITE (NO2): ~0.8mg/L
NITRATE (NO3): ~50mg/L
AMMONIA: ~1.2
SALINITY: 1.026
TEMPERATURE: ~26 degrees


the test kits i used were hagen, and the colour charts didn't really seem to equate with any of the water samples i had, so hopefully my interpretations are accurate.

any tips?? do a water change? add frozen food? just leave it?
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Postby blacjack » Sat 01 Dec, 2007 7:44 pm

Water changes will not hurt. It will help remove any excess nutrients etc, assisting the tank to cycle.

Looking forward to the finished aquascape when your rock turns up.

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Postby listen_to_slayer » Sat 22 Dec, 2007 5:26 pm

well i've finally done some form of aquascaping, and i've let it sit and cycle.

some photos:

FTS:
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Rockwork in focus:
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Sump:
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Parameters:

Salinity: 1.026
pH: 8.3
Ammonia: 0
Nitrate: 10
Nitrite: Undetectable
Phosphate: 1.0
Temperature: 26º

is it too soon to add some snails and some tough corals soon?

Thanks,
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Postby blacjack » Sat 22 Dec, 2007 5:41 pm

Snails will be fine, but I'd be a bit patient on the corals. Just get the po4 down a little more first. Besides that everything else looks good.

Are you going to add a few fish as well?

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Postby listen_to_slayer » Sun 23 Dec, 2007 1:23 am

The plan so far is to get the tank pretty stable and stocked with a few inverts and corals then to add a juvi emperor angel as the first fish, so still a few months before that happens.
However, I'm thinking i might have to add my pair of occys soon, becuase they are currently in a jebo 38 litre tank, which I feel is way too small for them.
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Postby blacjack » Sun 23 Dec, 2007 9:43 am

listen_to_slayer wrote:The plan so far is to get the tank pretty stable and stocked with a few inverts and corals then to add a juvi emperor angel as the first fish, so still a few months before that happens.
However, I'm thinking i might have to add my pair of occys soon, becuase they are currently in a jebo 38 litre tank, which I feel is way too small for them.


Yeah I would move them. It will help your tank to mature more having fish in it. The emperor sounds nice, hard to keep fish though, from what I've read anyway. Have you got 1 sourced out yet?
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Mon 11 Feb, 2008 3:08 pm

finally another update, i finally took the plunge and bought an emperor angel, added the clowns and changed the aquascaping.

in the next few weeks i should have lighting, which should be an improvement on the 2x4foot low output T5s over it at the moment and im thinking about getting an auto top off unit.

i'll check the water tonight and post parameters.

some photos:

FTS:
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LHS:
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RHS:
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anyone got any thoughts? im thinking maybe i should start adding a few kilos of LR every few weeks to build that up.
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Postby Kranky » Mon 11 Feb, 2008 3:19 pm

Auto topup is essential on this size system IMO. Looks good so far, lots of swimming room ;)
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Postby pazz » Mon 11 Feb, 2008 3:49 pm

aqua scaping looks awesome mate , just a question the angel you have arent they called the korean angel ?
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Mon 11 Feb, 2008 5:20 pm

thanks pazz, no i think you are thinking of koran angel's which look very similar as a juvenile, there are quite a few angels that look similar with similar colours when young but as adults all look very different.

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Postby pazz » Mon 11 Feb, 2008 5:32 pm

ok my mistake still learning , wat else are you looking at putting in the tank ..
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Postby listen_to_slayer » Mon 11 Feb, 2008 5:41 pm

as far as fish go i would love to add a small dussumieri tang, but im not sure if my tank is big enough for one, aside from that i'd like a yellow tang, some small flasher or fairy wrasse's, a pair of clown gobies, maybe a flame angel and not sure what else. any suggestions? :)
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