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Dan & Kristins 8x4x2 GONE

Postby DanH » Sun 25 Dec, 2011 11:41 pm

Introduction:

Hi everyone! For the last 2years I've managed to keep my 1st and current 240lt set up alive and well, and maybe to some extent more recently, thriving. Living in a 2 bed unit on the 5th floor has had its challenges. Not only for general maintenance, but just having a place to put all the gear that is required to keep it all running as smoothly as I can possibly manage. At long last, my wife and I have the opportunity to get out of here and build a place of our own. After recently finishing up with the design process, building is due to start late January 2012, and you guessed it, my main focus, a bigger display tank and plenty more room to move!

The plan is a semi built-in tank, 8 foot long, 4 foot deep and 2 foot high (8x3x2 viewable from the front). With a dedicated fish tank room directly behind the tank where everything can be kept in one place and easily accessable at all times.

It wont be a quick process, but I hope it will be as much fun setting it up as it will be to sit back and admire it with friends and family once it is up and running. We hope you all enjoy our journey as well.

Im open to any advice and constructive criticism along the way, so feel free to bring it!


System Objectives: Simply to have a healthy environment for all of the tank inhabitants.

System Type: Mixed reef, predominately SPS.


Display system:

Strike up Date: Hopefuly in the second half of 2012
Display Tank: 2400 x 1200 x 600 (8x4x2)
Display Lighting: 4 x InWatter Stingray 240w
Stand: 50x50x3mm 316 s/s.
Hood: Built-in
Sump:
Refugium:
Refugium Lighting:


Support systems:

System Water: Natural salt water.
Display Water circulation: EcoTech (2 x MP60EWS & 4 x MP40EWS)
Return Pump: Waveline DC10000
Skimmer: Bubble King Supermarine 250
Evaporation Top Up: manual


Chemical Support:

Calcium Addition: Kamoer dosing pump
Alkilinity Addition: Kamoer dosing pump
Other Chemical Maintenance:
Current Water Chemistry: N/A
Nitrates: 0
Phosphates: 0.2
Alkalinity: 9.4dkh
Calcium: 480ppm
Salinity / Specific Gravity: 1.023
Magnesuim: 1800

Images: Only in my mind so far...

I'll update as I collect bits and pieces and with any thoughts or questions.
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby blags » Mon 26 Dec, 2011 1:51 am

Can't wait Dan :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby stollie » Mon 26 Dec, 2011 9:27 am

:withyou: tagging along also
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby radioman » Sun 01 Jan, 2012 7:16 pm

well well Dan coming over to the dark side or at least the large side. With and engagement too, wow you are really jumping in. :devil:

good on ya, will keep an eye on this as well. :pirate:

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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby blags » Sun 01 Jan, 2012 11:05 pm

Any design plans you can let us in on Dan?
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Mon 02 Jan, 2012 11:43 am

This is part of the plans for downstairs. The tank sits pretty much smack bang in the center of the house. Viewable from the kitchen, dinning, living/entertainment areas.
Im trying to get some snap shots from the 3D walkthrough that the drafty did up. Will post them if/when I can get my hands on them.

I plan on having a saltwater storage tank (prob about 3000L) to the eastern side of the house and plumbing to the DT for water changes, with pump control inside the tank room.
Also, will run a line for the RODI waste out to the house water tank so that can get used for toilet water etc. I'm told that the RODI waste water is not good for human consumption. Is it any good for plants or grass??

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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby blags » Mon 02 Jan, 2012 2:43 pm

Going to be great Dan!!!! The waste water is fine for plants/lawn :thumbsup:
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Fri 13 Jan, 2012 6:04 pm

The first few peices of the puzzle..

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Hopefully more to come soon!
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby chromus » Fri 13 Jan, 2012 6:15 pm

Dan, when do they break ground? My tank and setup is v.similar and with luck break ground in about 6 weeks.

The SM 250 is a beast, I am running mine on my 5x2x2 and it pulls out way more slime than I knew could exist in that size tank. :pirate:

RODI effluent won't hurt your plants, but I wouldn't put it on the vege patch. :thumbsup:

3D pics are cool, gives you are far better idea of what is where and how much space there will be.
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Fri 13 Jan, 2012 6:32 pm

The house is due to start end of jan, hopefulyl the tank in 6 months. Wish it were now!... Its comforting to hear good comments about the equipment. Other peoples feedback on products is all I have to go by. Cant wait to see it running myself!

At the moment my waste RODI goes straight down the drain, so Im looking forward to having a more efficient set up, even if it is just little things like that. Will try and make the most of everything!
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby WarbyD » Sat 14 Jan, 2012 9:34 am

Woohoo, tagging along for the ride on this one - sounds like it's going to be a beautfy Dan :)
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby chromus » Sat 14 Jan, 2012 10:20 am

DanH wrote:The house is due to start end of jan, hopefulyl the tank in 6 months. Wish it were now!... Its comforting to hear good comments about the equipment. Other peoples feedback on products is all I have to go by. Cant wait to see it running myself!


Have you considered closed loop flow? It leaves a much cleaner look in your tank.

6 Months, you're lucky, my house has been 18months of headaches so far, and not even cleared the site yet. I have at least another 12 to wait at this rate. :konk:
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Sat 14 Jan, 2012 4:20 pm

Fingers crossed all goes well!
I've read a couple of threads on closed loop. It does look good but I felt more comfortable using powerheads. Nothing is set in stone though.
My knowledge on closed loop is limited but the way I see it, once a closed loop system is plumbed in, you are restricted to how you scape the tank to hide the returns. Is that right? Or are there ways around it?


WarbyD wrote:Woohoo, tagging along for the ride on this one - sounds like it's going to be a beautfy Dan :)


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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DannyH » Sat 14 Jan, 2012 7:13 pm

Power consumption alone for a closed loop is a massive turnoff. Like you said too, lack of flexibility with scaping, etc etc.

Looks like it will be a beast mate :)
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Sun 15 Jan, 2012 1:04 pm

Yeah I can see the pros and cons in both. The idea of a clean clooking tank with no visible powerheads is nice. Whatever suits. I'll prob stick with the mp's for now though.
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby coit » Sun 15 Jan, 2012 1:09 pm

Has anyone ever tried making the exterior section of a closed loop into say, I dunno, a lower-than-water-level T shape, and sticking something like one of these turbine pumps (or a conventional 1-way prop pump) in the centre of it and thread the power cable out one end? Or would that just not work?
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Postby chromus » Sun 15 Jan, 2012 3:45 pm

Closed loop works on pressure, so you need pressure pumps, this pressure is then converted to flow at the outlets using an eductor
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 5:38 pm

Who wants to chip in with a bit of advice/ any suggestions/ any ideas re what I should be putting in the walls while the house is in frame?

So far 1. RODI waste to external water tank
2. water pipe from external water tank to tank room for water changes
3. all electrics for lights and running gear
4. exhaust fans to try and reduce heat in room

In my current mindset Im thinking about leaving the chillers in the tank room as opposed to having them external and plumbing them all the way back in. To help with expelling the heat that these things produce, Im thinking about having an exhaust fan that will turn on/off with the chillers.

Im sure there is more that could be done, but Im stuck for ideas.

So what do you guys think?
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Re: Dan & Kristins proposed 1700lt feature wall

Postby chromus » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 6:10 pm

Chiller run if you can have the chiller seperate from the tank.
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Postby WarbyD » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 6:11 pm

floor drain in tank room, lots of powerpoints, a laundry basin in tank room..
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 6:52 pm

chromus wrote:Chiller run if you can have the chiller seperate from the tank.


Im working on it, the nearest external wall is about 7meters plus a head height of 2800mm.
My concerns with this are the size of the pump required for this length and head height, and how would the Halea chillers go living outdoors?

Has anyone had a setup with chillers outdorrs?
I'll be running 2 x Halea 1000A chillers.

WarbyD wrote:floor drain in tank room, lots of powerpoints, a laundry basin in tank room..


tick tick and tick. Will have a drain directly under the tank and a second in the center of the room, a decent sized sink, and there will be more power than you could poke an insulated stick at!

Thanks for your input so far! :thumbsup:
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Postby Fishie fishie » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 8:12 pm

Hi Dan and Kristin
It's going to be a great setup. How much fun is the planning side,hey?
What size is your sump going to be and how will it flow?
I'll be looking forward to watching your progress.
Good luck with the new house.
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 9:04 pm

Hi Theon
So far so good, although Im really looking forward to actually starting the build! But a lot to sort out before that stage.

As for the sump, Im still undecided. My current set up is very simple, I believe its called NNR or natural nitrate removal.
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As you can see, theres nothing to it. A skimmer, and a type of DSB with a chamber underneith for denitrification?

So im not sure if I stick with this type or go the more traditional DSB? Not planning on a refugium, at this stage.
Basicly, Skimmer - ?DSB? - section for dosing and pumps for chillers.

Im open to any advice from previous experiences with various types of sumps.

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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby joely116 » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 8:35 am

Have you thought about a clean sump, skimmer,carbon,biopellets,heaters,return pump no bsd or anything like that, im.running my 7x3x2 that way and its going really well, alot of ppl are starting to head down that way
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 11:00 am

joely116 wrote:Have you thought about a clean sump, skimmer,carbon,biopellets,heaters,return pump no bsd or anything like that, im.running my 7x3x2 that way and its going really well, alot of ppl are starting to head down that way


I thought you were suggesting my sump was dirty for a minute there... I hadn't considered that yet, but I'll definately add it to the list of options. I was under the impression that it needed some form of DSB so it could do its thing. Please excuse my lack of knowledge, but where do all the nasties get broken down without it?
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Postby joely116 » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 1:49 pm

Thats what the biopellets and carbon are for mate, deep sand bed your really need a big area make them work to actully do anything for the tank
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 2:26 pm

Ok, thanks for the info. I'll definately consider it.
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Wed 29 Feb, 2012 8:33 pm

Quick update... Heres a sketch of how the tank should look with the cabinetry.
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Top cupboards will open up to open space behind for access to front and sides of tank, and the bottom cupboards will hide all the running gear.

And a couple more pieces of the puzzle...
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Getting very excited. If only council would approve the bloody plans so we can get started :wall:
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby Diablo » Wed 07 Mar, 2012 7:29 pm

Im working on it, the nearest external wall is about 7meters plus a head height of 2800mm.
My concerns with this are the size of the pump required for this length and head height, and how would the Halea chillers go living outdoors?

In a totally closed loop system, once it is primed, the head height is irrelevant. The pressure required to go up is balance by the syphon created as it comes back down again. 7m is not an issue if you use wide pipe. I made a golden rule never to use anything less than 32mm (preferably 40mm) for flow plumbing. You may need a tee at the chiller with a ball valve to help you prime the closed loop of the pump is too weak to push up the 2.8 meters. Having a chiller inside is often counterproductive and you may need to remove excess heat with an air conditioner.
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Re: Dan & Kristins 1700lt feature wall

Postby DanH » Fri 01 Jun, 2012 6:09 pm

Its been a while! Finally took delivery of the tank stand today. No pics yet, but a big shout out to Pete (blags) and Shane (ssbk23)for helping out with the move.
I wouldve struggled a little bit trying to carry it by myself so thanks fellas. Sorry about the knee deep mud pool that I call my back yard...
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