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Postby damer » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 8:51 am

anyone interested in participating in a "challenge" next year, please nominate a species or two.

i will be using my "powers" to not include any species nominated that are basically unrealisitc in the final poll. tangs, angels etc.

hopefully we will get a couple of our fantastic LFS to help us out again with low price broodstock.



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Postby damer » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 8:52 am

pipefish- maybe "dragonfaced"
royal dottyback- pictichromis paccagnellae
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Postby FullScaleMarineLife » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 9:00 am

I'm happy to help with broodstock :thumbsup:

If were not too sick of gobies I'd like to nominate the Rainford's Goby - Amblygobius rainfordi.
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Postby Chantelle » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 9:17 am

Here's my suggestions:

Seahorses - any species

Fairy wrasses? This one might be a bit unrealistic though, as to date I dont believe there is any breeding success.

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Postby Hunts25 » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 9:34 am

Orchid dottybacks

some sort of blenny
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Postby h45e » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 10:50 am

I vote for mandarin
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Postby Mr Miagi » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 1:48 pm

damer wrote:i will be using my "powers" to not include any species nominated that are basically unrealisitc in the final poll. tangs, angels etc.


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I think this is a must. I think people need to see some level of success, to get them interested, or hold their interest in breeding.

There are a few hard ones already, but I guess we just nominate anything, they can always be culled later!

I Nominate:

1: Calloplesiops altivelis (Marine Betta/Comet grouper)
2: .....will think about it...
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Postby Chris » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 2:17 pm

you could do it as part of MOFIB, currently there is a nomination thread going, but its abotu to close.

it is likely that there will be prizes this time and hopefully some breedable species.

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Postby Hunts25 » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 3:34 pm

Ecsenius stigmatura (Tail Spot Blenny)

I don't know if we can get this fish here, but I reckon it would be pretty good. Plus I want an excuse to work on blennys again..
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Postby Lukey » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 6:36 pm

Chantelle wrote:Here's my suggestions:

Seahorses - any species


Huzzah I second it! Particularly for Kuda's, but they're one of the hardest apparently so maybe seahorses as a whole, and let pipefish be included?
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Postby kenny damaschke » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 3:46 pm

Maybe two divisions noob and experienced?
Clowns for noobs
and horses for experienced??

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Postby Chantelle » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 4:34 pm

I like that idea! Having a section for noobs and experienced.
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Postby Darr1n » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:04 pm

Like the idea of a newbie (cheap) option.
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Postby silverseahorse » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:23 pm

Why seahorses? Being a seahorse nut, yeah they are great, but why not a species that not much/little is known about? Or something that is not commonly bred here in Aus? Like the Marine Beta or something like that?

I've done 6 species of seahorses so I guess I'm kinda bored with that as a suggestion ;) And Lukey - they are not the hardest. Kuda are difficult, but subelongatus are the hardest. Now getting those to adulthood IS a challenge! lol! But it can be done and I have done it.

Right now I've got bangaii and a pair of black footed clowns I am trying to spawn - I'd be up for another species though :) I've turned down the temps on my seahorse tanks to actively discourage breeding for the moment. I'd like to work more on the bangaii and the black foots right now. Or a third suggestion if another species is chosen :D
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Postby Lukey » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 7:46 am

I guess the thing is with horses is it may be difficult/unfair because you have to have a designated tank for them. You can't have them in your typical reef tank because they simply tend not to survive.

This would mean anyone interested would have to have a seperate tank setup basically. Mind you, i'd still like to do it haha. And yeah you've bred seahorses silverseahorse, but not everyone has. Same as clowns with other people, but they're still a great option. At the very least because they spawn so often...
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Postby kenny damaschke » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 9:29 am

silverseahorse wrote:Why seahorses? Being a seahorse nut, yeah they are great, but why not a species that not much/little is known about? Or something that is not commonly bred here in Aus? Like the Marine Beta or something like that

:withyou: it would be good t introduce more captive bred individuals to aussie lfs
maybe a broader subject rather than species go with family?
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Postby Chantelle » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 10:51 am

kenny damaschke wrote:maybe a broader subject rather than species go with family?


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Postby silverseahorse » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 3:08 pm

Not trying to imply I'm wonderful because I have bred them, but there is a lot of information out there about captive breeding seahorses now days. Just thinking of a species that doesn't have much info about it.

And yes you could move away from horses and go to pipefish or something like that. I'd like to do dragons if I had the cash. Had a friend successfully breeding weedy seadragons in captivity. Actual CB not WC with eggs and captive reared. Now that was a system to behold! If only we all had unlimited budgets... *sigh*
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Postby Chantelle » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 3:39 pm

[quote="silverseahorse"]Not trying to imply I'm wonderful because I have bred them [quote]

I think you are! I have a new appreciation for how hard it is to keep the fry alive after my 3rd attempt at H.Reidi so far. No luck so far but Ill keep trying.

Breeding dragons would be amazing! Just need to win lotto... :roflmao:
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Postby silverseahorse » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 10:30 pm

Not at all. I've never bred clowns before and am impressed with anyone who has. I'm feeding up my black-foots and hope to have them spawn soon. So I am going to be reading lots of accounts of clownfish breeding soon. It will be new to me so fingers crossed I can keep the fry alive and get them to adulthood. I've been reading about nutritional defects so hopefully I'll be able to avoid that pitfall!

Yeah we all need to win lotto. Stupid lack of money... ;)
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Postby Chantelle » Fri 18 Dec, 2009 3:36 pm

Any other suggestions?
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Postby Onsan » Fri 18 Dec, 2009 3:58 pm

Boxer Shrimp/Banded Coral Shrimp.

They readily spawn in tanks, are easy to keep with a wide variety of fish species, are popular in the industry, and no-one seems to have cracked the cycle yet (at least not that i've found).

It would be a true challenge and if someone in this forum is able to get them thru, it'll be a first, RTAW would be well recognised for ground breaking progress.

that is unless someone has cracked it...
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Postby silverseahorse » Sat 19 Dec, 2009 3:22 pm

interesting idea. I wonder how different they would be from peps to raise?

Would be nice to see a captive bred option with these shrimp since they are quite expensive in Aus compared with other countries
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Postby damer » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 11:19 am

lots of good replies and questions.

the basis for keeping it species specific is so that it stays simple.

the theory is also to keep it easy and cheap to obtain broodstock to try and get mor people involved in breeding fish

comets for example, how many people can afford to by 3 of 4 of them and house them in a tank large enough? i would love to try them, but cant see that getting people involved in breeding fish.

i was completely againt this years species as it is VERY difficult and does little to get people interested, but in won the poll. i dint even start any journals as of the 6 i obtained, only one lived. hopefully getting some more soon though.

ok, so we have

1)pipefish- species to be determined
2)royal dottyback- pictichromis paccagnellae
3)Rainford's Goby - Amblygobius rainfordi.
4)seahorse- species to be determined
5)orchid dottybacks
6)Marine Betta/Comet grouper Calloplesiops altivelis
7) Tail Spot Blenny Ecsenius stigmatura
8) clowns -species to be determined
9) banded coral shrimp

did i miss any other than mandarin and fariy wrasses which i will use my powers to not include

to be honest, i think 5 and 6 may be hard due to broodstock availability and cost. 7 i dont think we can get.

happy to run 2 if that is what people want, but it makes it a bit harder as this is still a new concept and numbers are not huge.

im still keen to run it in conjunction with MOFIB with all journals being put over there, will work that out later.
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Postby damer » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 11:19 am

fang blennies are another option, reef safe, readily avaialble, spawn readily and are in the "easier" category.
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Postby PaulG » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 11:23 am

I would think that the CBS would be ruled out due to long larval stage & also the canabalistic nature of the larvae.

It fun having a couple of thousand larvae & in teh end only have 1 as all teh rest have been eaten.

Flame Angels perhaps :poke: :poke: ;)
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Postby fewyearsinsalt » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 11:24 am

Or how about an OPEN challenge, anything goes, to win you have to sell/give away the most fish/inverts to win the challenge. There could be a list of fish or inverts to pick from, all of which should already be proven to spawn in captivity but not readily available in Aus for sale as captive bred. Think about how many reefers already have spawning fish in thier aquarium but don't bother raising the fry, maybe this could encourage them to finally give it a go.

Example: Any species of clown that aren't commonly found as captive bred in lfs, so clarki's, skunks....

I think the selection should also include:

any common species that spawn multiple times per week or month, so you have lots of chances to test and change techniques.

Possibly a species which features direct development of their offspring prior to release as this would greatly increase everyones chances of success.

I even think mysis, various pod types and the harder phytoplankton cultures could be included to help develop our groups knowledge base. So maybe a few sub categories could work well.



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Postby Onsan » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 11:35 am

timmmysli wrote:I even think mysis, various pod types and the harder phytoplankton cultures could be included to help develop our groups knowledge base. So maybe a few sub categories could work well.


i've always wanted to get a clean culture of glass shrimp going, and i miss the varieties of pods that i had when i first set up the DT. i'd be in for this.
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Postby paul67 » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 2:46 pm

I am a newbie to breeding, have done it with fresh but not Marine. Could I made a suggestion that we have 2 categories. A novice fish and an advanced. I think this was I could get involved but not feel intimidated by trying to breed something that is way past my ability.

Either way I would love to be involved
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Postby Mr Miagi » Sun 27 Dec, 2009 4:29 pm

damer wrote:fang blennies are another option, reef safe, readily avaialble, spawn readily and are in the "easier" category.


I didnt have to think too hard about it, but I like the sound of the striped fang blenny.
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